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richiecoin · Apr 20, 2011, 02:12 AM

Hi Folks!!!
CLAUDIUS II GOTHICUS Obv.legend:VIRTUS CLAUDI AVG Rev: VIRTUTI AUGUSTI Cyzique mint
This coin is for sale at the moment in mY Ebay shop - http://stores.ebay.com/Richies-Antiquities
The coin is as found and uncleaned.Any info about it will be appreciated!!!
Best regards!!!
Richie

areich · Apr 20, 2011, 08:01 AM

Here a much better example sold for $1400:

http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=105587

You can probably get something for it but the $8000 you're asking is very optimistic.

Andreas

richiecoin · Apr 20, 2011, 12:43 PM

This coin is much different from my coin.Common obv.legend and no horse.

areich · Apr 20, 2011, 02:14 PM

So that's a horse. Now that you say it. What I said about the price is still true though.

bpmurphy · Apr 20, 2011, 02:18 PM

Interesting coin. Price seems a bit pushy considering the grade. And not unpublished. I'll post a photo of another example later tonight when I get my scanner working published in 1938.

Barry murphy

bpmurphy · Apr 20, 2011, 04:18 PM

Alfoldi, Die romische Munzpragung und die historichen Ereignisse im Osten zwischen 260 und 270 n. Chr. (1938), pl xxix, 7.

Looks like the same dies. Cyzicus mint.

Barry Murphy

Malcolius · Apr 21, 2011, 03:09 AM

Far be it for me to criticize but why oh why do some coin dealers insist on displaying their coins on their bare hands?

I have always understood that at the very least a pair of cotton jeweler's gloves should be used when handling ancient coins. The damage being caused to a coin that, supposedly, is worth $8,000 shows a certain lack of forethought!

Regards,

John.

Roma_Numismatics · Apr 21, 2011, 09:37 AM

In fact, coins are generally no worse off for being held in one's bare hands. In many cases, the handling of silver coins can over years lead to a very deep, glossy tone which is particularly attractive. Cotton gloves can actually be the cause of damage themselves, as the coin can more readily slip out of your fingers and onto the floor, or drop onto another coin and thus scratch it.

Malcolius · Apr 21, 2011, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roma_Numismatics

In fact, coins are generally no worse off for being held in one's bare hands. In many cases, the handling of silver coins can over years lead to a very deep, glossy tone which is particularly attractive. Cotton gloves can actually be the cause of damage themselves, as the coin can more readily slip out of your fingers and onto the floor, or drop onto another coin and thus scratch it.

Well, I stand corrected by The Master!

However, I am sure that I read somewhere that the acid on one's skin can damage coins but I am prepared to accept this advice.

But, I also like to keep a pictorial record of the coins that I purchase and images of the coins on a neutral background are what I want. It is difficult to make a neutral background out of a hand!

John.

richiecoin · Apr 21, 2011, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bpmurphy

Alfoldi, Die romische Munzpragung und die historichen Ereignisse im Osten zwischen 260 und 270 n. Chr. (1938), pl xxix, 7.

Looks like the same dies. Cyzicus mint.

Barry Murphy

Thanks Barry for the photo.This might be the only known picture of this type.However in my listing I have an option-*Best Offer*.
Best regards!!!
Richie

bpmurphy · Apr 21, 2011, 11:40 PM

FYI, this is the first appearance of the horsehead next to the imperial bust on a Roman coin. This coin has been published several other times that I am aware of including Bastien's "The Horse's Head and Imperial Bust on Roman Coinage," in SAN XIV, # 1 (Spring 1983), pg. 4. As of 1983, the Alfoldi published specimen was still unique. Now I guess there are at least 2 examples known.

Barry Murphy

Roma_Numismatics · Apr 22, 2011, 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malcolius

It is difficult to make a neutral background out of a hand!

Very true.

areich · Apr 23, 2011, 03:16 AM

If I couldn't touch ancient coins with my bare hands, I don't think I'd be collecting them. I have never seen anybody use gloves when handling ancient coins.

marcus flavius · Apr 23, 2011, 05:10 AM

I purchased this reverse type a couple of years ago with what looks like the same reverse die.
My coin has a common obverse of radiate, bust right (I only paid $50 for it and it is RARE!)
Thanks for posting the piece, I'll save the picture of your obverse. Some lucky Claudius Gothicus collector will have a very rare one in their collection.
I also believe Beast Coins had one in his shop (same obverse as mine).

nhochrein · Apr 23, 2011, 12:01 PM

The damage of coins by holding in your bare hands applies more to modern issues than ancient. Due to the patinas, they really are not damaged by doing this. For modern coins though, it is definitely to be avoided!
Nathan

Apr 21, 2011, 03:09 AM	#7
Malcolius Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Taree, New South Wales Posts: 61	Why? Far be it for me to criticize but why oh why do some coin dealers insist on displaying their coins on their bare hands? I have always understood that at the very least a pair of cotton jeweler's gloves should be used when handling ancient coins. The damage being caused to a coin that, supposedly, is worth $8,000 shows a certain lack of forethought! Regards, John.

Apr 21, 2011, 09:37 AM	#8
Roma_Numismatics Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 49	In fact, coins are generally no worse off for being held in one's bare hands. In many cases, the handling of silver coins can over years lead to a very deep, glossy tone which is particularly attractive. Cotton gloves can actually be the cause of damage themselves, as the coin can more readily slip out of your fingers and onto the floor, or drop onto another coin and thus scratch it. __________________ Richard Beale Roma Numismatics Limited

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Apr 20, 2011, 08:01 AM	#2
areich Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin Posts: 159	Here a much better example sold for $1400: http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=105587 You can probably get something for it but the $8000 you're asking is very optimistic. Andreas

Apr 20, 2011, 12:43 PM	#3
richiecoin Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: LARVIK Posts: 53	This coin is much different from my coin.Common obv.legend and no horse.

Apr 20, 2011, 02:14 PM	#4
areich Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin Posts: 159	So that's a horse. Now that you say it. What I said about the price is still true though.

Apr 20, 2011, 02:18 PM	#5
bpmurphy Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 696	Interesting coin. Price seems a bit pushy considering the grade. And not unpublished. I'll post a photo of another example later tonight when I get my scanner working published in 1938. Barry murphy

Apr 21, 2011, 11:40 PM	#11
bpmurphy Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 696	FYI, this is the first appearance of the horsehead next to the imperial bust on a Roman coin. This coin has been published several other times that I am aware of including Bastien's "The Horse's Head and Imperial Bust on Roman Coinage," in SAN XIV, # 1 (Spring 1983), pg. 4. As of 1983, the Alfoldi published specimen was still unique. Now I guess there are at least 2 examples known. Barry Murphy

Apr 23, 2011, 03:16 AM	#13
areich Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin Posts: 159	If I couldn't touch ancient coins with my bare hands, I don't think I'd be collecting them. I have never seen anybody use gloves when handling ancient coins.

Apr 23, 2011, 05:10 AM	#14
marcus flavius Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Deep South NC Posts: 374	I purchased this reverse type a couple of years ago with what looks like the same reverse die. My coin has a common obverse of radiate, bust right (I only paid $50 for it and it is RARE!) Thanks for posting the piece, I'll save the picture of your obverse. Some lucky Claudius Gothicus collector will have a very rare one in their collection. I also believe Beast Coins had one in his shop (same obverse as mine).

Apr 23, 2011, 12:01 PM	#15
nhochrein Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 90	The damage of coins by holding in your bare hands applies more to modern issues than ancient. Due to the patinas, they really are not damaged by doing this. For modern coins though, it is definitely to be avoided! Nathan