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Old May 11, 2009, 01:23 PM   #1
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Huge Roman "Coin"

Thought I would pass this along to my Late Roman Coin Collectors that I saw online article.
Go to www.goldbergcoins.com to see listed a 48 siliquae silver commemorative piece minted in 369AD for Valentinian I at Antioch/ Measures 66mm, weighs 104.30 grams or .31 Roman pounds!
Piece being auctioned soon, good luck!
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Old May 11, 2009, 05:06 PM   #2
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Gorgeous coin.



I am just a few hundred thousand short.

Unless someone here wants to stake me.

Clay.................................??
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Old May 12, 2009, 01:40 AM   #3
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It's really stunning. The size allows for such detail, especially on the wreath leaves. Looking at this coin begs the question in my mind, of how did such an object made it from being presented to somebody important back then, to modern times. I'd think it might have a different provenance than the average coin out there. Too bad there is nothing on that in the listing. I guess it's the first time this coin is for sale.
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Old May 12, 2009, 11:29 AM   #4
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Thanks guys for the input and indeed it is a very SPECIAL piece, according to the article I read the LARGEST Roman Imperial "coin" ever minted!
Remember during the reign of the bothers, Valentinian and Valens, the nummis no longer had an intrinsic coating of silver and was a pruely bronze token piece of fiat money, I suppose.
One reason I read for this was the extensive promise these emperors made for donatives to the military and there was simply not enough of silver to provide for both, well illustrated from this massive medal/coin.
You are correct that this one was undoubtedly given to a very important official in celebration of his renewal of vows.
Lucky thing I have the next best thing in my collection an tiny AE3 of his from Antioch!
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Old May 12, 2009, 03:40 PM   #5
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"I'd think it might have a different provenance than the average coin out there. Too bad there is nothing on that in the listing. I guess it's the first time this coin is for sale."

The listing does mention the possibility that it was personally presented by the emperor directly to Count Theodosius after his service in Britain. Hard to get a cooler provenance than that.
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Old May 12, 2009, 05:24 PM   #6
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"One theory that has been advanced is the possibility that Count Theodosius himself, peacemaker of Britain at the time, was the recipient of the medallion".

I noticed that, however a theory of what might have happened in the 4th century does not qualify as provenance to me. And I was wondering about more recent times, not more than three or four centuries ago, as some kind of record is more likely to exist.
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"One theory that has been advanced is the possibility that Count Theodosius himself, peacemaker of Britain at the time, was the recipient of the medallion".

I noticed that, however a theory of what might have happened in the 4th century does not qualify as provenance to me. And I was wondering about more recent times, not more than three or four centuries ago, as some kind of record is more likely to exist.

Yes, there is always a theory. It raises the estimate.

Did I ever tell you my theory about the hooker at the Hotel Bar after Gemini? Oh wait, you were there.................never mind.
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Old May 12, 2009, 10:35 PM   #8
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Did I ever tell you my theory about the hooker at the Hotel Bar
after Gemini? Oh wait, you were there.................never mind.
Dammit man, don't stop there . . . . ! Do tell, we all enjoy a good story.
(unless you are suggesting that HE was the hooker )

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Yes, there is always a theory. It raises the estimate.

Did I ever tell you my theory about the hooker at the Hotel Bar after Gemini? Oh wait, you were there.................never mind.
Oh, I believe that theory. But it's much easier to prove, you have to admit.

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Dammit man, don't stop there . . . . ! Do tell, we all enjoy a good story.
(unless you are suggesting that HE was the hooker )

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Mr. Dubya, you're way off on that one.
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Old May 13, 2009, 06:47 AM   #10
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Dammit man, don't stop there . . . . ! Do tell, we all enjoy a good story.
(unless you are suggesting that HE was the hooker )

W

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Let's just say that some girls have to really work a crowd on a Monday night if they want to make a living. And in this case, they end up taking a lonely cab ride elsewhere, without anything to show for it.

City living can be a tough gig.
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Old Jun 3, 2009, 11:19 AM   #11
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Big Bucks!

Just wanted to follow up on the prices realized that this beauty fetched on the hammer;

sold for $450,000 --- which includes a 15% buyers fee

I quess we were more than a couple of hundred thousand short!

Goldberg claims that the ancient and foreign section brought strong prices.

Wonder who the lucky buyer was.....?

Anyone out there.....
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The medallion was purchased by someone who doesn't frequent online discussion Forums and I believe he prefers to remain anonymous for now.

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Old Jun 3, 2009, 05:27 PM   #13
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Barry, sounds like you know who it is... perhaps both of you play golf together at the club.... if so, suggest they use it as a ball marker on the putting green.
THAT will impress everyone! Heh, heh...
maybe next life I'll make it ion those circles...not
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Barry, sounds like you know who it is
That's because Barry knows everything about everyone. I think he actually is his own branch of the CIA....

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... perhaps both of you play golf together at the club.... if so, suggest they use it as a ball marker on the putting green.
THAT will impress everyone! Heh, heh...
maybe next life I'll make it ion those circles...not
On a similar note, Glenn Woods bought an unslabbed $50 US gold coin, similar to this one:



http://www.reisbord.com/1851LE$50slug.htm

at CICF a few years ago to use as the dealer button in his weekly high-stakes Texas Hold'Em tournaments. He showed me while we were having dinner at the show one night.

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On a similar note, Glenn Woods bought an unslabbed $50 US gold coin, similar to this one:



http://www.reisbord.com/1851LE$50slug.htm

at CICF a few years ago to use as the dealer button in his weekly high-stakes Texas Hold'Em tournaments. He showed me while we were having dinner at the show one night.

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That is one very expensive dealer button.
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